The Real Revolution Disc 4: the Ideal of Non-violence is Not a Fact

Q: "Sir, it's obvious we are violent. What is the point that we know we are not violent?" K: "Because, sir, to bring about a radical change, a complete mutation of a mind, of a human being that has been nurtured in violence, aggression for centuries upon centuries, one must approach it differently; and that's what we're trying to do. If we want to change violence totally, and if you make an effort to change it, it is still part of violence. So is it possible to bring about a total cessation of violence without effort? That's one of the issues; you understand? Because if I make effort, I'm part of that. I'm moving in the field of violence. So I have to understand this whole problem, I have to go into it." -J. Krishnamurti Ojai, California 1966, first discussion at the oak grove